The Taco Incident
May 2nd, 2015, 9:33 am
Average Rating: 5.00
May 2nd, 2015, 9:38 amReply
My characters respect me as much as I respect them, thank you, Captain Obvious styled RP!Ket.
Edit: One of the only times I'm first to comment on Aware, wow. Isn't it a coincidence?
PS: So, basically, considering what RP!Ket is saying, when I'm on a break or hiatus, or when I have a delay, my cast is on a vacation? (Oh, wait, that's not counting buffers, isn't it?)
May 2nd, 2015, 12:32 pmReply
@Extremmefan: Your characters respect you because you make them respect you. You make them like you despite everything you've done to them. You are their God. And just like every other "author" you're an irresponsible child; especially if you force them to be "Aware."
You gave them all of their faults, so that they aren't "boring" and "perfect." You are responsible for the hardships they're forced to go through to make "interesting" stories and character traits. You are directly responsible for every single bad thing that happens to them.
May 2nd, 2015, 2:17 pmReply
It's too bad that RP!Ket doesn't realize that we make characters go through what we go through to grow up with them. It's so we learn how to deal with things, coop with them, and just escape when we need a moment not to deal with the real world as it is to our lives right there. We never really cast them aside or forget them, but at one point, one story in our lives end and a new one begins, but we don't forget our stories - no matter how hard we try.
... I'm being far to cheesy and sentimental here, aren't I? Oops. ^^"
May 2nd, 2015, 2:26 pmReply
@Jax: AND I respect them in return! I don't force them in either way! The only thing I've made in my comic are my avatar (for joke purpose, but with an hidden identity), and the friggin' camera (that nobody in the comic is aware of)! None of my characters are forced, and the only way we see each other is through Game Central (which I sometimes go in as my avatar to ask if they feel alright, or if anything feels out of place, which is why I've never put the camera in Game Central). While I may be responsible, they often do things on their own accord, without asking me, thus robbing me of my responsibility. Every time we see each other in Game Central, me and my characters have a little talk with coffee and some cookies, so I believe they respect and actually kinda like me.
May 2nd, 2015, 6:16 pmReply
@Extremmefan: You have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't mean some little self-insert character you made up to represent you like that Niv in the white-space typing away at a computer terminal.
@StarMario777 & ChaosSonic777: Yeah. I know that, and there's nothing I can do about it. It's so great, isn't it? Being one of us.
May 2nd, 2015, 7:25 pmReply
@Jax: Calm down, bro. I'll have you know I have kept my OCs from when I was a kid up to this day. They have pretty much evolved to have a life of their own, nowadays. Often I find that I'm thinking just the way they would think. I don't make them go through any hardships. The only hardships they go through are the ones they bring down on themselves. And even then, I try to shield them from it as best as I can (Such as moments when I decide to do a RP with them with a friend and they try to beat my characters up. I just step in as me and use my way too OP powers to stop it.). And kinda like Extremmefan, if I think anything's wrong with them, I step in and ask them if somethings wrong, or if anything is just not right. If something ISN'T alright, I make it alright for them. I don't MAKE them like me! They CHOOSE to respect and like me, and I respect and like them right back! Not just because they are good little characters that I can bend to my will, but because they are PEOPLE (Well, by my definition). If they have flaws, so whatever? EVERYONE has flaws. Sometimes they even put their imperfections to good use!
Have a cookie for reading my entire rant-thing.
May 3rd, 2015, 4:12 amReply
And this, is where the great illusions of wall awares fall down.
Don't get me wrong, I'm loving this whole "rage against the powers radda radda" thing. RP!Ket is ACTUALLY one of the few awares I'm finding interesting.
But reading through these comments, and seeing all these people who talk about their characters as if they were actually aware? Seeing how they try to justify "they all love me because I respect them" or "I don't force them to do anything", etc... to a CHARACTER, not even to the actual person behind them!
I'm sorry, it's just REALLY funny that people seem to think that's a GOOD argument! An aware is still a character, and thus will only do as YOU write them too... and in many cases, are made ...Not? Wall aware, by the insert of an author.. because suddenly they're not talking too THE author, they're talking to an INSERT of the author, which is, in turn, becomes it's own character.
Besides, this topic alone reveals just how many awares there are these days... it's a trend that's just... reaaaaaaaaaally gotten out of hand.
Anyway! Back to the comic at hand, hmm?
May 3rd, 2015, 6:54 amReply
jax is alive.
i'm lucky my char is nuclear-powered with over 9000 nukes in a nutshell with chaos weaver powers that can be controlled.
oh wait that was the old version.
My characters DOES respect me.
as i respect them.
Edit:... whelp i'm sensing cameos here right?
because by the looks, it's like your going to make a bunch of fcs go against ket.
May 3rd, 2015, 1:40 pmReply
@spark th: Well, for me it IS a valid argument because my OCs are basically my life. I'm sorry, but I never had much friends, so I spent all my time talking to my OCs in my mind while laying down on my bed, and they've developed a sentience of some sort. My OCs ARE a person by my definition. They deserve to be treated like one. If I made some sort of AI personality for Marnin (My first OC) then that would basically be like bringing him MORE alive than he already is.
ADDITION EDIT: How come Niv hasn't done the "Reply to Everything" thing yet? Is that part of the storyline?
ADDITION ADDITION EDIT: @spark th: Also, while I do talk to my characters with an insert of me, that insert IS me. It's like.... like... in a game like Skyrim! That character that you play as may not act or look like you, but is still IS you. You see what I'm saying? Like an avatar, I guess you could say.
May 3rd, 2015, 3:49 pmReply
@Jax: Him? Nah, I knew someone would say something like that, but the fact remains that I talk to my characters like if they were actual persons! I know they have feelings, but whatever story that happens is planned by either one of them, or by Murphy's Law, the later is the one I've got no control on, therefore not my responsibility. I'm here to avoid major unplanned dimensional problems, such as problems that involve Time or Space or Natural Laws in general (excluding Murphy's Law).
May 3rd, 2015, 6:19 pmReply
@Jax: So... you are admitting that everything you say or do is controlled by your author? So everything you say that references to you being an aware (Such as the flashback part) is being controlled by... Z, I'm guessing? So you aren't really Aware, Z (Or whoever) is just making you ACT Aware. Wow, I just got really confused.
May 3rd, 2015, 7:13 pmReply
Reading this all is hilarious. And also a good reason why I don't bother with making characters be wall aware.
'Cause they'll probably go crazy and try to pull universes into a taco.
Or rather, I'll make them try and pretend they came up with the idea lol
May 3rd, 2015, 8:04 pmReply
OK, I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole, except to say:
You guys are all missing the point. If only one author could cause this mayhem, then comic!Ket would have gone through the exact same thing that rp!Ket went through.
It wasn't the actions of just one author (in this case, me)- it was the actions of multiple authors that drove her over the edge.
Tell me: Do you guys take into account other peoples' characters as well? What happens to them when they get involved in your plots? Or what happens to your characters when they get caught up in other peoples' plots?
If you do, then there's no conflict - no driving force - no story.
If you don't, then you're just as guilty as the rest of us.
May 4th, 2015, 1:55 amReply
For the Love of Taco Tuesday!
Apparently you guys save for one or two of you don't realize that when you create an "aware" character that unless that character is deadpool-like, which jax is if you think about it, then that character is just an extension of your will and life in the comic. Sure they can become their own characters but they will still be an extension of YOU. So when a character(s) like RP!Ket is made the extension of multiple people without a medium, then it simply won't work. That's why this was made a plot point in the first place!
May 4th, 2015, 5:10 amReply
@Shard: Actually, comic!me has a secret identity as a character of my comic, but saying what it is would be spoilers to my comic (and I don't want that), so I'll just say this: comic!me has a secret identity that is an extension of a certain company-copyrighted character in my first comic, and that's all I can say to avoid spoiling my comic (so technically, "me" is a character in my comic, thus giving out the possibility that I could understand what they feel quite easily, considering I'm a character in my comic that doesn't refers to himself as a author to other characters, whether they are from another comicverse or from my comicverse, thus adding the probability that I'm actually hiding the status of "author" from my character and other peoples' characters, thus making me innocent and not guilty from any character's point of view, thus avoiding any awareness in my comic that can result in the Taco Incident).
May 4th, 2015, 6:24 amReply
I'm going to say this now, and I'll say it again later on
I am so sorry for the trainwreck that this particular comment section has become. Like, this is RIDICULOUSLY bad guys. Do you not see it? We have people arguing with a character, people trying to argue that RP!Ket is wrong because you guys don't act like that, and people arguing with others for not having the same ideas.
Honestly, I feel disgraceful for adding to this mess before hand, and I feel even worse for adding to it now.
I am SO sorry Niv.
May 4th, 2015, 9:12 amReply
@spark th: Eh.
It's actually very amusing.
I love comments sections.
Oh yeah, and ADDITION EDIT: I think my characters will now go insane now that I really think about it. I mean, if you knew that there was a "God" controlling your every move and that you really have no free will, and that even these thoughts like this are not yours, wouldn't you go insane?(I mean, not that I do that, but still...)
May 4th, 2015, 1:51 pmReply
It really is hilarious how poorly this was received. As Spark said, you guys are arguing with a character. It doesn't matter if you disagree with them or they make you mad, because it is A CHARACTER. You're just giving her more fuel, guys. (Also it's the internet where everyone says insulting things already, but whatever.)
Meanwhile, Extreme is arguing with Niv herself. It's all so very, very silly.
May 4th, 2015, 2:12 pmReply
Incoming Wallof Text/ Double Comment Combo!
I WILL give my actual opinion on this, at the risk of putting myself in the line of fire and feeding the evil gremlin that is this flame war. I'm making a point of being cool and collected, see?
Let me stress that my characters are very, VERY important to me. My emotional and mental state would be a lot worse off if I didn't have these...things to play around with. And Honestly? They and the stories they're involved in honestly kinda just happen sometimes. I make a point of not directly interfering within their individual experiences, in order to keep it as "realistic" as possible within the context of that world. (Is it wrong to do so? No, but it's something I'd rather avoid.) I also go to great lengths to make sure that anything that happens within my stories is something that would not only happen naturally in that scenario, but also that it makes that character learn from it. If I were to meet a character of mine in real life, I think most of them would thank me- not for the hardships I put them through, but for the things they took from those hardships.
However, that does NOT excuse me from making my characters experience the things they experienced. Even if I didn't specifically make things happen, it was me who ALLOWED them to happen. When one character hurts another, it's because they would have anyway, but it's completely within my power to make sure that they don't. A person who stands there and does nothing is just as guilty as the person who does the deed, and when that person is me, I am willing to accept that blame.
I do feel that it is irresponsible for an author to make their characters never feel hurt, or pain, or fear. They are things that a person will always face no matter whether they exist here or in my head, and denying them of those things denies them of truly being a person in every sense of the word. Does that mean I disagree with RP!Ket? Of course not. Doing things specifically to hurt a character is wrong, and gives them no real valuable lesson to learn from it. In fact, it's probably something I'm going to stop doing from now on, although I didn't really do it much before. That, I think, is the point that's trying to be made here.
Sorry for the wall of text, everyone, and peace out. You're all beautiful.
May 4th, 2015, 4:24 pmReply
@Sapar: Smartest wall of text ever. But yeah, you're right (except I'm not "arguing", I'm explaining my case, which, strangely, is a special case when compared to what RP!Ket said... Besides, I don't really "disagree" either, considering I leave my characters to learn from their hardships and mistakes that happens to them in my comic... And consider the fact that I'm NOT denying them their emotions such as fear or pain either... I can live with the very small guilt, because no matter what happens in my comic, I'm related to it, thus making me not an innocent person, but since they can consider that the character who did the deed could have done it outside my comic, I'm not really guilty either).
May 5th, 2015, 12:51 amReply
Honestly? I think I'm gonna have to agree with her here.
As authors, it's our job to create interesting stories. If we didn't, that would make us sorry excuses for authors. Unfortunately, much of the time this requires hurting our creations. For example, killing of a character's parents to give them the motivation to fight the villain or whatever.
That said, when you look at it from the perspective of the character...well, it sucks. And should your character learn that everything about them was created by you--that you're the reason for their suffering--well, why wouldn't they be angry? You had a guy kill off their parents. What a jerk.
May 6th, 2015, 5:42 pmReply
@Extremmefan: Except....except that they can.
It's still their character. It doesn't matter whether they appear in a comic, an RP, or not at all, it's still you that decided what happened to them. The only time something can happen to a character without your control is when they are completely outside of your power- for example, when Kêt was cameoing in Dark Age (although that's only one version of Kêt, but I digress). When you decide where their story ends, that's relinquishing your control as well, because then they're free to do whatever they want away from your scrutinizing eyes. But as long as you KNOW what's happening to them, and have control over their fates? It doesn't matter if it's displayed in PNG for all the Internet to ogle at, you're still choosing their fates for them.
May 6th, 2015, 6:31 pmReply
Just because it happens offscreen, doesn't mean you had no control of it.
A character's backstory that hasn't appeared in comic is still their backstory. It was still written by their author, no matter how little of it actually is elaborated on.
For example, Damaru. His story was evidently written before it was expanded upon here. Otherwise, Silverado would be a development that only occurred after it was shown.
And if Damaru knew that it was Niv who decided that he should go through that, plus forty years of offscreen torment, he wouldn't be happy. No matter how important it was to his character, it still sucked for him.
You are effectively your character's God.
Maybe that's why Két is an atheist.