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Four Hundred Nineteen

December 9th, 2016, 9:30 am

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Shard,

December 9th, 2016, 1:38 am

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GREETINGS SIR AND OR MADAM AND OR PERSON

DO YOU LIKE SPRITES? (I should hope so or you might not be reading this comic)
DO YOU LIKE GETTING SPRITES? (who knows? maybe)
DO YOU LIKE GIVING PEOPLE MONEY? (wait what was that last one)

WELL FEAR NOT, FOR I HAVE NOT ONE, BUT TWO PLACES YOU CAN GO TO GET SPRITE COMMISSIONS DONE

YOU CAN EITHER GIVE ME YOUR MONEY BY CHECKING OUT THIS LINK, JUST THIS ENTIRE BLURB IS A LINK, AMAZING

OR YOU CAN GIVE MY BUDDY PLOK YOUR MONEY BY CHECKING OUT THIS LINK, WHO KNOWS SPOOKY

FOR THE LOW COST OF MONEY AND LETTING US SUSTAIN OUR BEINGS AND NOT DIE, YOU TOO CAN HAVE SPRITES OF YOUR STUFF MADE BY PEOPLE

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

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TheHowlingStorm,

December 9th, 2016, 10:34 am

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Now there are times that I would say "Jerkass Has A Point" but...

gatemaster,

December 9th, 2016, 10:38 am

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In comic!kéts position i'd probably like to comic to continue since my entire existence would hinge on it

Rp!Két not being in this position has no stakes in whether it continues or not cause she can just escape to the rp or some other medium

Ultizeta,

December 9th, 2016, 10:46 am

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419 pages of *actual existence* and people being entertained by her and supporting her from reading the comics. Other than losing her wind powers, nothing very *bad* has happened to her in Aware.

This is the kind of meta argument that I really hate, to be honest. Yes, an author may put a character through some tough times, but it's either that or never existing at all. Would anybody, upon finding out that they've been being created by some higher being that controlled their every move, prefer to not have existed if that's the only other alternative? Though, I guess, Ket existed before this comic since I believe Niv has talked about Ket stuff pre-Aware, but I digress. I guess maybe SOME people would be such fervent supporters of free will, but it's not as if an author is really a slave-runner, either? At least, a good one will write the character in ways that they would naturally react, and the only real sense of free will that would be lost would be the actual events happening outside of the character's control, which puts the author on a level more like a behind-the-scenes god than a mind controller.

And honestly, being against the author in a meta comic like this is just a terrible idea in general, really. If you're on the side of an author, they're going to be supporting you. The one in charge of you and literally EVERYBODY ELSE is going to also be supporting you. You don't want to make them an enemy because "waah they made bad things happen" or "waah I don't have free will" especially since the author is responsible for "I have an actual backstory and things I remember and a life" and then also "these good and pleasant things happened and I enjoyed them".


Not to mention, something meta like this is really weird and difficult to break a suspension of disbelief for, because when so many meta things get brought up like this, it becomes more and more apparent when you think about it that regardless of anything being said, RP Ket is STILL BEING WRITTEN BY NIV. Not necessarily author-character-in-the-comic-Niv, but actual real life Niv, and the distinction between the two blurs constantly because of the fourth wall breaking. So, this free-will-supporting anti-author RP Ket is just as much of a character being written by the author as regular Ket, Damaru, Silvena, Silverado, Blair, and anyone else. It just makes it really hard to take seriously when the comic itself tries to take this subject seriously in this particular way.



Aaaanyways I'm done criticizing and ranting so I'll just shut up now and see where this is going.

Shard,

December 9th, 2016, 12:04 pm

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@TheHowlingStorm- She might be a bit biased.
@gatemaster- At the same time, she has to go through this exact same stuff every time someone reads the archives, what the heck is a fourth wall why even did I decide on this as a premise for a comic
@Ultizeta- In that same breath: If you're writing how a character would naturally react, wouldn't it make sense for someone in the same position as RP!Két - who's been through suffering from multiple authors, several awful, awful things, and a period of time when she just didn't "exist" because she wasn't being used - have something of a natural bias and thus, when "naturally" written as they would "naturally" respond, make these same points? Again, perhaps she's being a bit biased. But she sees herself, quite literally, starting to go through the same things that she did. Pestering from authors, suffering in the form of loss of wind powers... and maybe there's something she can do to save herself, give her other self that same relative "freedom" from the comic constraints that she has.

RoninHunt0987,

December 9th, 2016, 2:17 pm

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@Shard: hmmn the cat has a point which brings me to this very question: when does the finale come in???

The Magnificent Z,

December 9th, 2016, 4:51 pm

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@Ultizeta: If you can't suspend your disbelief based on meta, 4th wall dealing plotlines then you are reading the wrong comic.

plokman,

December 9th, 2016, 5:13 pm

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Thank you very much Niv. Let me know if you ever need anything and I'll return the favor. I'll consider that a christmas gift too. ^^

Snurple-the-Hedgehog,

December 9th, 2016, 6:03 pm

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@The Magnificent Z : Wow, that's a bit blunt there, if you'd ask me. People are allowed to have their own opinions while reading anyone's comic. While I do agree with Ultizeta's opinion, I still am reading this comic because I actually enjoy how it is being written out. Mostly for the character's development and experience throughout the whole comic, I can actually see her gradual character development through each world and it's fucking great. I am actually excited to see where this would lead to, and how she would react or change.

@Shard : Can't we just donate to you too?

Now, for the whole argument on meta... the whole disbelief based on meta and 4th wall breaking is essentially a paradox in itself. It's a concept that is often not visited by many people... until recently. (Thank you for that, Deadpool.)

While the characters do have their own set of personalities and thought patterns, they are still able to defy against author's writing or plans (despite the fact that the author is writing the characters themselves) they can uncontrollably evolve into something beyond an author's control, and all they could do is react to certain situations or problems however the characters within their own abilities. That's where their "free will" lies within. Hell, sometimes authors are being forced to write something that the characters are going to do even if it's outside of their comfort zone. I have been a victim of that several times myself, so can another authors.

There's only one rule that 4th wall breaking characters cannot break, and that is having a complete reign of their own, or cut free from the authors' writing hands- or else they wouldn't even exist anymore. They absolutely cannot exist beyond the forms of mass media; television, comics, books, or even movies. They will never be a human, ever. Absolutely ever.

If you, as an author, are saying that they can and are- then you are doing it wrong.

Shard,

December 9th, 2016, 6:52 pm

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@RoninHunt0987- Well, it'll be about [SPOILERS]
@The Magnificent Z- That's a bit of a rude way of putting it. Let people have their say.
@plokman- You are quite welcome. ;3
@Snurple-the-Hedgehog- I MEAN IF YOU WANNA JUST GIVE ME MONEY WHY NOT, but I'd feel bad if I didn't do something in return, y'know?

The Magnificent Z,

December 9th, 2016, 7:36 pm

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@Snurple-the-Hedgehog:

If you wanna take this outside, we can take it outside bro.

Anyways if I'm going to be serious about this: The whole debate relies on the notion that Niv in the comic and Niv in real life are the same person, which obviously they are not. Niv within the comic is not omnipotent or she wouldn't be able to be blocked and things wouldn't happen that are out of her control. Aware!Niv and IRL Niv should be separated as entities under such considerations.

Within that context it's easier to accept that Ket CAN rebel, because she CAN do things that Aware!Niv doesn't intend for her to do. If they were the same entity then there would be absolutely no fighting against her at all. The only viable solution would be to go with the flow, as you have no other choice.

Shard,

December 10th, 2016, 12:16 am

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@The Magnificent Z- I'm gonna have to make another new author avatar to differentiate Aware!Niv and IRL!Niv aren't I

The Magnificent Z,

December 10th, 2016, 2:19 am

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@Shard: Well no, then you'll have Aware!Niv, Aware!IRL!Niv, and then actual IRL!Niv.

Shard,

December 10th, 2016, 2:33 am

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@The Magnificent Z- please stop my head is starting to hurt

The Magnificent Z,

December 10th, 2016, 5:14 am

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@Shard: Hun you made a comic focusing on the main character's 4th wall shenanigans. You brought this pain upon yourself.

Mopwop,

December 10th, 2016, 9:51 am

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I came here for fluffy characters and happiness, not metaplot and headaches

Shard,

December 10th, 2016, 1:03 pm

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@The Magnificent Z- ;0;
@Mopwop- plz help

shiny umbreon (Guest),

December 12th, 2016, 12:11 pm

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My argument against rp ket is that if this comic weren't created, ket would have gone through the same grief as rp ket. This comic not only allowed ket to dodge a bullet, but also alleviate the insanity ket faces when seeing blare. It allowed for some relationships to develop that wouldn't have otherwise.

ted the saiyanfox,

December 12th, 2016, 6:10 pm

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So you do want someone to suffer with you, RP Ket! RP Ket is Mrs. Lonely

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